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re: The Perfect Web Framework

John Bubriski — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:29:04 GMT

I think the problem is that you can't really "mess around" with frameworks, as it gets you nowhere. What you really need to do is LEARN a framework. The purpose of a framework is to make the common things very easy to do, provide stability etc. Unless you commit to a framework and learn it and use it, I don't think you can really evaluate how useful it is. Frameworks should also be extremely intuitive so you don't waste time trying to figure out how "they" did it, and should NOT get in your by keeping underlying functionality available (for the most part).

re: Going Controller-less in MVC: The Way Fowler Meant It To Be

alex pedenko — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:40:29 GMT

That's actually one of the fundemental design principles in Bistro - (as sergio said - www.bistroframework.org). Aside from the f# piece (which isn't a requirement), the major premise there is that you bind controllers to aspects of a url, and multiple controllers service a single request, without being tightly coupled with each other. that way, your url becomes the first-class citizen you describe.

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Brian — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:23:06 GMT

That's almost identical to RACK. +1

re: How to Write Unmaintainable Code

Robz — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:22:08 GMT

Awesome! This made my day!

re: The Perfect Web Framework

nightshade427@yahoo.com — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:08:50 GMT

@Slava "Sinatra (Ruby web framework) rules!" +1

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Tobin Harris — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:32:58 GMT

+1 for Sinatra. It's a tiny tiny bit more involved than the story above, but beautiful nonetheless.

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Ryan Riley — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:05 GMT

I agree with Ben; that looks like Rack. OpenRasta is pretty close, as well, and handles expected HTTP response codes very well.

re: The Perfect Web Framework

James Avery — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:55:07 GMT

You should check out WebMachine (an erlang web framework that is just about that simple)

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Slava — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:35:04 GMT

Sinatra (Ruby web framework) rules!

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Ben Lovell — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:51:15 GMT

Ha! You need to look at rack:

http://rack.rubyforge.org/

Almost exactly what you described :)

re: The Perfect Web Framework

Simone — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:10:28 GMT

Looks a lot like CGI back in the '90s :)

Just more testable

re: Going Controller-less in MVC: The Way Fowler Meant It To Be

Adam — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:08:05 GMT

I reallly like where this idea is headed Chad. Hope that some samples and code spikes come out so we can begin exploring it further.

Even just having Controller's as actions with a Get/Post method is really a great start.

re: Going Controller-less in MVC: The Way Fowler Meant It To Be

Andrew Peters — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:25:14 GMT

"The limitations of our imaginations: That’s how we’ve always done MVC!"

Not really true. In Java, this pattern has been around for donkeys years. For a good example, take a look at WebWork, which powers the Atlassian apps like Jira etc.

re: Going Controller-less in MVC: The Way Fowler Meant It To Be

Sergio Pereira — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:33:18 GMT

@James, you may want to take a look at Bistro (bistroframework.org/index.php), which is an F# MVC framework.